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With Planet Mu finding some serious form recently through the likes of VEX'D and Exile, relative veterans like Aaron Funk (aka Venetian Snares) are finding the need to keep quality sky-high an ever more pressing concern. Thankfully 'Meat Hole' suggests that the Venetian Snares desk won't be cleared anytime soon. Eschewing the symphonies of his last album 'Rossz Csillag Alatt Szuletett', 'Meat.
*I mean, he’s organized some hefty experimentation over the past 5-6 years like the Jungle/Dub soaked ‘Detrimentalist’ and the gorgeous classical/IDM driven ‘Rossz Csillag Allat Szuletett’, but his overall gist has solely remained in the breakcore and IDM field.
*Oct 15, 2013 Combining delicious symphonic strings and ambient soundscapes, Rossz Csillag Alatt Szuletett is perhaps one of Aaron Funk’s finest pieces of work. Inspired by a journey to Hungary, the album is an earnest reimagining of the melancholic side to Hungarian culture, ‘Ongyilkos vasarnap’ being a cover of a Hungarian suicide song.
*Venetian Snares - Rossz Csillag Allat Szuletett The early 20th century composer, Bela Bartok, was renowned for his pieces that blended older tonality with the new, bleeding edge trend of atonality, which is more fittingly labeled in Bartok's case as polytonality.
*Rossz Csillag Allat Sz letett is his 12th studio album and most mature work yet. Inspired by a trip to Hungary while on European tour, Funk found himself on the Kir lyi Palota (Budapest's Royal Palace) imagining himself as a pigeon.Capitalization[edit]The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was no consensus - Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 20:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Is it certain that the title and the track titles are all capitalized? It looks terrible in Hungarian. (The scanned title cover shows all letters in capitals, which needn't be specifically rendered as capitalized words.) -- Adam78 01:41, 12 July 2005 (UTC)I have corrected the capitalization and given translations for the song titles. – KovacsUr 20:20, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
How album title spells? requesting an IPA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.154.221.100 (talk • contribs) 07:27, 19 August 2006
I've corrected some translations (szerencsétlen = (literally) luckless, dal = song). Furthermore I'd translate the word kétsarkú as double-heeled, because a native Hungarian would say bipoláris for bipolar--instead of the somewhat weird word kétsarkú. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.112.206.162 (talk • contribs) 21:24, 11 November 2006The titles were most likely translated to Hungarian from English, hence the awkward 'kétsarkú'. I honestly do not think 'sikertelenség' and 'szerencsétlen' need a 'literal' translation; these are completely valid forms, part of the normal Hungarian vocabulary. KovacsUr 20:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I've put in a request to get this page moved to Rossz Csillag Alatt Született because convention states that albums should have title capitalization. = ∫tc5th Eye 01:50, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
*I strongly oppose this move. English capitalization rules should not be applied to album titles in languages other than English. KovacsUr (talk) 07:17, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
*All three of the offsite reviews use caps for the title, and WP:CAPS tells us to go with the capitalization of our sources in English, regardless of the capitalization usual for the native language. Dekimasuよ! 05:15, 25 February 2008 (UTC)You can't expect a casual reviewer (or even Aaron Funk himself, actually) to be knowledgeable about Hungarian (Spanish, French, German etc.) capitalization rules. An encyclopaedia, however, should use correct capitalization whenever possible. The only reason I can think of not to use correct capitalization may be to save the ungodly amount of effort required to keep the correct form from being reverted to the incorrect one. KovacsUr (talk) 12:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
*Support. Even if it really is written in lower capitals in Hungarian, I agree with User:Dekimasu. All the infobox links and the two references links all write it in capitals, so we should follow others lead. Callmederek (talk) 20:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)I have corrected all references several times; they are reverted from time to time by people who think the capitalization is incorrect. See my comment above. KovacsUr (talk) 12:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
*comment Should we move Dans ma fusée to Dans Ma Fusée as well, then? Die neuen Leiden des jungen W. to Die Neuen Leiden des Jungen W., etc.? KovacsUr (talk) 12:32, 29 February 2008 (UTC)The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.Fair use rationale for Image:RosszCsillag.jpg[edit]
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It'd be nice someone who can speak Hungarian could contribute IPA or phonetic pronunciations for the title and maybe track names. --Rob W 11:54, 10 June 2007 (UTC)IDM[edit]
'IDM'? C'mon, it's not the 90s anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.55.63.53 (talk) 20:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)Requested move[edit]
According to WP:CAPS and current Wikipedia practice (see Ohne dich, La Vie en rose, Új név a régi ház falán, Corde della mia chitarra and so on), the title of this article should be Rossz csillag alatt született. Reference: A magyar helyesírás szabályai (the relevant section on Wikisource) (rough translation). KovacsUr (talk) 13:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
*Strong support as per reasons listed above. = ∫tc5th Eye 18:12, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
*Page moved. Your reasons are correct and not controversial. WP:RM discussion is now closed. Target speedy deleted and article/talk page have been moved. Richard Cavell (talk) 05:24, 12 July 2008 (UTC) (admin)Real Instruments?[edit]
I was just reading some reviews of this, and most of them say that Funk learned violin and trumpet and played those parts himself for this album. Can anyone shed some light on this? My sources were http://tinymixtapes.com/musicreviews/v/venetian_snares.htm and http://www.amazon.com/Rossz-Csillag-Szuletett-Venetian-Snares/dp/B0007QN900 . 59.167.238.141 (talk) 23:18, 9 October 2008 (UTC)translation[edit]
I've reverted an edit by an anonymous editor with a history of mischievous edits, who changed the translation of Öngyilkos vasárnap' from 'Suicidal Sunday' to 'Gloomy Sunday'. Although I don't speak Hungarian, it seems clear from both this page and the page for the original song that the Hungarian word 'szomorú' translates as 'gloomy'. I'm assuming that Aaron Funk renamed the song in order to acknowledge the mythology of suicide associated with the song: it would be helpful if someone with a grasp of Hungarian could confirm this ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 20:35, 2 February 2010 (UTC)Rossz csillag alatt született[edit]
The current translation in the article is 'Born under a Bad Star'. I'm partly Hungarian and I interpreted the title as 'Born under the wrong star' before reading this article. I know the sentence can be translated either way, but somehow the latter sounds more correct to me (but I can't really say why, but I think I've heard the latter phrase in other contexts). I'm not gonna edit, but this is just a note about it if anyone else is wondering. --217.211.254.193 (talk) 11:32, 14 October 2012 (UTC)Requested move 2[edit]Rossz Csillag Alatt Szuletett RareThe following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: Moved. Cúchullaint/c 15:05, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Rossz csillag alatt született → Rossz Csillag Alatt Született – The official release page states that the name of this album is Rossz Csillag Alatt Született. http://www.planet.mu/discography/ZIQ111Vyrbius (talk) 00:10, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
*Support per WP:BANDNAME. --BDD (talk) 20:15, 12 February 2013 (UTC)The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.External links modified[edit]
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*Breakcore[1]
*drill 'n' bass[2]
*IDM[3]Length46:46LabelPlanet MuProducerAaron FunkVenetian Snares chronologyWinnipeg Is a Frozen Shithole(2005)Rossz Csillag Alatt Született(2005)Meathole(2005)
Rossz Csillag Alatt Született (Hungarian: [ˈross ˈt͡ʃillɒɡ ˈɒlɒtt ˈsylɛtɛtt]) is a 2005 album by Canadian electronic music producer Venetian Snares, released on the Planet Mu label. Inspired by a visit to Hungary, the album title and all of the track names are in Hungarian; Rossz Csillag Alatt Született translates to 'Born Under the Wrong Star ',[4] a Hungarian expression which means 'cursed from birth'. Statistically, the album consists of classical strings and brass combined with breakbeats.Overview[edit]
The concept of the album came when Aaron Funk imagined himself as a pigeon on Budapest's Királyi Palota (Royal Palace).[5] Its third track, 'Öngyilkos Vasárnap' is a cover of the song 'Szomorú Vasárnap' ('Gloomy Sunday') by Hungarian composer Rezső Seress, which has been referred to as the Hungarian suicide song. According to urban legend, Seress's song has inspired the suicide of multiple people, including his fiancée. The song was reportedly banned in Hungary.[2] It has also been covered by many artists. Billie Holiday's vocals are sampled in this track.[4]
The album also samples various pieces of classical music:
*The first movement of Béla Bartók's fourth string quartet, in track two.
*The second of Igor Stravinsky's '3 Pieces for Clarinet', in track five.
*The first movement of Gustav Mahler's 3rd Symphony (trombone solo), in track five.
*Measures 121-128 (14), 134 (15) and 144 (16) of Bartók's first string quartet (third movement), in track five.
*Niccolò Paganini's 7th Caprice in A minor, in track five.
*The beginning of the solo part of Franz Waxman's Carmen Fantasie in track five.
*The first and third measure of the fourth movement of Bartók's sixth string quartet, in track six.
*Sir Edward Elgar's 'Cello Concerto in E Minor, Op. 85', in track eight.
*The second movement of Sergei Prokofiev's Quintet in G Minor in track eight.
*The Siciliana of Fantasia No. 9 from Georg Philipp Telemann's Twelve Fantasias, in track ten.
While there were no official music videos released with the album, artist David O'Reilly produced an unofficial computer generated video for Szamár Madár.[6]Critical reception[edit]Professional ratingsReview scoresSourceRatingAllMusic[7]Pitchfork7.5/10[4]Sputnikmusic4.5/5[8]Tiny Mix Tapes5/5[2]
Alan Ranta of Tiny Mix Tapes praised Rossz Csillag Alatt Született as Funk's 'most accomplished album to date' and described it as being 'of uncouth beauty that is at once sublime, timeless, cinematic, sporadic, and moving from start to finish.'[2]Sputnikmusic writer Nick Greer hailed it as an 'absolutely amazing' release that 'truly excels in how it shifts paradigms in unexpected ways'.[8] William Tilland of AllMusic called the album 'typically uncompromising and unsettling, although it is certainly constructed with great technical skill and maintains an abrasive beauty throughout.'[7] Cameron MacDonald of Pitchfork was more reserved in his praise and felt that 'Funk's percussive palate could have ventured beyond the standard-issued 'Amen' breakbeats', while concluding that 'Rossz's totality still possesses nerves that can cast shadows that never dissipate away from the mind.'[4]
Tiny Mix Tapes ranked Rossz Csillag Alatt Született the 25th best album of 2005 and the 31st best album of the 2000s.[9][10] In 2014, Resident Advisor critic Hugh Taylor described it as 'one of breakcore's most important albums'.[1] In 2017, Pitchfork placed it at number 25 on its list of 'The 50 Best IDM Albums of All Time'.[3]Track listing[edit]CD release[edit]No.TitleLength1.'Sikertelenség' ([ˈʃikɛrtɛlɛnʃeːɡ], lit. 'Failure')0:412.'Szerencsétlen' ([ˈsɛrɛnt͡ʃeːtlɛn], lit. 'Unlucky' or as noun, 'Poor soul')4:553.'Öngyilkos Vasárnap' ([ˈøɲɟilkoʃ ˈvɒʃaːrnɒp], lit. 'Suicidal Sunday')3:264.'Felbomlasztott Mentőkocsi' ([ˈfɛlbomlɒstotː ˈmɛntøːkot͡ʃi], lit. 'Disintegrated Ambulance')3:445.'Hajnal' ([ˈhɒjnɒl], female name, lit. 'Dawn')7:466.'Galamb Egyedül' ([ˈɡɒlɒmb ˈɛɟɛdyl], lit. 'Pigeon, Alone')1:367.'Második Galamb' ([ˈmaːʃodik ˈɡɒlɒmb], lit. 'Second Pigeon')6:018.'Szamár Madár' ([ˈsɒmaːr ˈmɒdaːr], lit. 'Donkey Bird', but translates to 'Stupid Bird')5:499.'Hiszékeny' ([ˈhiseːkɛɲ], lit. 'Gullible')1:3910.'Kétsarkú Mozgalom' ([ˈkeːtʃɒrkuː ˈmozɡɒlom], lit. 'Bipolar Movement')8:5011.'Senki Dala' ([ˈʃɛŋki ˈdɒlɒ], lit. 'Nobody's Song')2:162×12' release[edit]Side ANo.TitleLength1.'Sikertelenség'0:402.'Szerencsétlen'4:553.'Öngyilkos Vasárnap'3:26Side BNo.TitleLength1.'Felbomlasztott Mentőkocsi'3:442.'Hajnal'7:46Side CNo.TitleLength1.'Galamb Egyedül'1:362.'Második Galamb'6:013.'Szamár Madár'5:49Side DNo.TitleLength1.'Hiszékeny'1:392.'Kétsarkú Mozgalom'8:503.'Senki Dala'2:16References[edit]
*^ abTaylor, Hugh (July 5, 2014). 'Venetian Snares – My Love Is A Bulldozer'. Resident Advisor. Retrieved August 21, 2019.
*^ abcdRanta, Alan. 'Venetian Snares – Rossz csillag alatt született'. Tiny Mix Tapes. Retrieved July 26, 2019.
*^ ab'The 50 Best IDM Albums of All Time'. Pitchfork. January 24, 2017. p. 3. Retrieved August 21, 2019.
*^ abcdMacdonald, Cameron (April 10, 2005). 'Venetian Snares: Rossz Csillag Alatt Született'. Pitchfork. Retrieved July 26, 2019.
*^'Venetian Snares at Midheaven Mailorder'. Midheaven. Archived from the original on April 17, 2008. Retrieved May 19, 2008.
*^https://vimeo.com/1715318
*^ abTilland, William. 'Rossz Csillag Alatt Született – Venetian Snares'. AllMusic. Retrieved July 26, 2019.
*^ abGreer, Nick (August 1, 2006). 'Venetian Snares – Rossz Csillag Alatt Született'. Sputnikmusic. Retrieved January 10, 2015.
*^'Top Twenty Five Albums of 2005'. Tiny Mix Tapes. Archived from the original on January 14, 2006. Retrieved August 21, 2019.
*^'Favorite 100 Albums of 2000–2009: 40–21'. Tiny Mix Tapes. February 11, 2010. Retrieved August 21, 2019.Rossz Csillag Alatt Szuletett RaritanExternal links[edit]Further reading[edit]
*Britton, Eliott. 'Born under a Bad Star: An Analysis of abstract loop-based composition through Aaron Funk's Szerencsétlen'. eContact! 12.4 — Perspectives on the Electroacoustic Work / Perspectives sur l'œuvre électroacoustique (August 2010). Montréal: CEC.Rossz Csillag Alatt Szuletett RaresRetrieved from 'https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rossz_Csillag_Alatt_Született&oldid=971887482'
